Wednesday, June 17, 2020

Who is man with Marcus?

Who is man with Marcus ; Ida's Dad in Sepia photo; and is he same person in monument photo,


The only Kreinik brother still in Sedziszow in 1946 was Joe.
Morris was in New York from 1912.
 Manny was in New York from 1920.
Joe didn't make it to Canada until 1949. Photos of Joe (below) show a much rounder face.
A brother Lazar died in Poland in 1942 from dementia.
Cousin Harry Rauch was in New York in 1925.
No other obvious Kreinik cousins.

Linda and David think they are the same person. But who is he?

About 1949-50

1954

Tuesday, June 16, 2020

Kreinik Cousin Marriages

Dear Cousins,

The photos that Herb sent sent me into a flurry of research which revealed several of cousin marriages.



1. Norman and Roberta Rauch's mother, Sylvia Sternlicht, is the daughter of Eva Chawa Kreinik, who is the daughter of Tuyve Kreinik and Frimet Neppel Feiler
2. Harry Hirsch Rauch (in the Kreinik Boys and Rauch photo) is the son of Baruch Rauch and Anna Chana Kreinik. I haven't figured out who her parents are. Any guesses?
3. Teddy Stieber is the son of Leah Kreinik, who is the daughter of Nathan and Rachele Kreinik. There is some evidence that Rachele is the daughter of Jacob Kreinik and Cyfro Tsipa Lichtenshal. 


I am not sure of what to make of all these cousin marriages. DNA analyses would show a lot of common material -- much more than simple cousins of the nominal degree.

I am trying to get in touch with Roberta Rauch Fachler and her twin brother Norman Rauch to see if they can confirm that the Rauch in the Kreinik Boys and Rauch photo is indeed their father, Harry. Does anyone have Roberta's phone number?

Art and Ida are right that this process goes best when lots of minds collaborate.

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Dear Kreinik Relatives,

In the latest round of genealogical research I uncovered yet another cousin marriage. 
Stanley Kreinik knew about many of these, but I did not process what was implied until much later.

Nathan Kreinik (1854-1937) married his cousin Rachele Kreinik; date unknown.

Sarah Kreinik (1892-1976) married Isidore Kreinik (1888-1982) on  16 Dec 1912. This was one of the first cousin marriages I heard about from Andrew Kreinik.

Harry Rauch (1904-1998), the son of Anna/Chana Kreinik (b.1881), married Sylvia/Cypra Sternlicht (1913-2007), the daughter of Eva Chawa Kreinik, on 29 Dec 1941. Sylvia is the daughter of Tuvye Kreinik and Frimet Neppel Feiler


Teddy Steiber (1907-1981), son of  Leah/Lilli Kreiniik (1883-1956) (who is the daughter of cousins Nathan and Rachele, above) married Jean/Jennie Rauch (1906-1998), the daughter of Anna/Chana Kreinik (b.1881), who is the daughter of Jacob Kreinik (1830-1933) and Cyfro Lichtenthal.

My own brother Ira Jacobowitz married our mother's niece, Leslie Danziger, but this may be considered 'marrying out.'

I counted 16 individuals in the tree involved in cousin marriages. Five of those unions were within the Kreinik side.

Here is a report of all the marriages of the descendants of Khaim Kreinik.
This graphic representation shows the complexity, Cousin marriages are indicated by the long, horizontal lines connecting disparate parts of the tree.

I have a history of interest in consanguinity. When I was in Hebrew School in Englewood, I asked my teacher, David Rosenbaum, if I remember, who did Cain and Abel marry? (Could only be their sisters or their mother, to my thinking). Perhaps our origin story was one of incest. David R. did not want to answer that (impertinent?) question, so he sent me to the principal. I thought this might be where the magic and power of story-telling would be revealed. But, no. The principal said they married angels. Then I suspected that the literal reading was bullshit. Perhaps there was another reading, but I was too young to be initiated. "Oh, that Adam and Eve story, that's what we tell little kids."
Maybe the curtain would be pulled back and I would be initiated into the mysteries and strength of the Jewish tradition. Or was I stil a little kid? Isn't Hebrew School is supposed to teach a sophisticated approach to Judaism? I was disillusioned.

Now I realize that I in revisiting the issue of Consanguinity, I am restating my 12-year-old's question.
In early populations, there were very few people one could marry. What are the ramifications of that practice, and when did it begin to change? "..in the United States, where first-cousin marriage is illegal or a criminal offense in 31 of the 50 states"

Linda and I have been discussing the issue. She pointed out that even if the literal reading were to be taken, and the boys married their sisters, that would be true for only one generation. After that would be cousin marriages.


Now we have to figure out who are the parents of the other Anna Kreinik (b.1879) who married Elias Laub.

Pinia Kreinik Laub in Yad VaShem died in Sedziszow Mlp in 1942 along with many of her family. 

Monday, June 15, 2020

Kreinik Boys Photos

Herb Kreinik shared these images on 14 June 2020:

DJ: At first Ida thought that the youngest boy was her father Marcus Lazer. But the dates belie that call.

Herb:
Here are copies of both “Kreinik Bros & Rauch” photo post cards, front and back. The earlier print is labelled Pix “A” (front and back); the later print is labelled Pix “B” (front and back).
Note that both prints (undated) were made at the Victoria Photo Shop, #57 2nd Ave, NYC.

Also attached are scans of two clippings to show what Morris looked like in 1921 and 1922.  So I think the prints of the “Bros” were from the early 1920’s (in NYC).

I suspect that Andrew Kreinik may have more info on Messr Rauch, though I don’t have his email address.


Art and Ida, 14 Jun 2020:

Hello and thank you for this very valuable additional information. I will denote 4 items that may help us better define the issues . 1] Marcus did not arrive in the USA until 1953 therefore the man in Pix A that Ida initially said was her Dad could not in fact be so if that photo was taken in NYC in 1921-1922.; 2] Ida also surprised that the 2 men [right side ] in Pix A that she thinks are Morris and Manny were in NYC in 1921-1922. She believed that they were still in Poland at that time. ; 3] Ida only recognizes Manny and Morris in Pix B. ; 4]Ida would like to know if Herb could tell us what year Manny and Morris came to USA.;   

Morris arrived in 1912 and Manny in 1920.

New York, Naturalization Petitions, 1794-1906

Name: Morris Kreinik
Record Type: Petition
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1897
Birth Place: Galicia, Austria
Arrival Date: 9 Jun 1912
Arrival Place: New York
Petition Place: New York, USA
Petition Number: 127480

Name: Manny Kreinik
Petition Age: 22
Record Type: Petition
Birth Date: 21 May 1904
Birth Place: Sedzizzow Poland (Austria)
Arrival Date: 7 Dec 1920
Arrival Place:New York, New York
Petition Date: 11 Oct 1926
Petition Place: New York, USA

Is it possible that Rauch is Harry Hirsch Rauch
Born 17 Dec 1904 in Poland
Death 2 Jul 1998, Old Bridge, Middlesex, New Jersey, USA

He married Cousin Sylvia Cypra Sarah Sternlicht in 1941;
Their daughter Roberta Rauch might be able to identify her father.

I just re-read a message from Stanley Kreinik from Aug 18 2013: "Hi David, I just got off the phone with Roberta Fachler. She is the daughter of Harry Rauch and Sylvia Sternlicht. Harry was a cousin whose mother was a Kreinik. Roberta has a twin brother I think his name is David. Harry, had two sisters, one was married to a Teddy Schtierber (Stieber -- Ruth Kreinik) (I'm not sure of the spelling) I told Roberta that you would get in touch with her. Her E -Mail address is facltf@juno.com Roberta is 69 and her husband is 70. She will give you a lot of info. She is the granddaughter of Chaim and Eva Sternlicht. I hope this will help you with some new info. Be well Stanley"

That would mean that Barney Rauch's wife was Anna Kreinik. Here is her Naturalization Paper.